Very worried about Teddy

[borderdawn]

Dont think I have ever been so pleased to hear about Cat poo!! Hope it continues Alex.
Dawn.

[Moli]

So pleased to hear Teddy is recovering........... :D

[Elaine]

How is Teddy and the poo factor today Alex? Fingers crossed that there is more improvements. xxx

[alexgirl73]

Well, he did another this morning and it seemed to be improving a little further again. They are very little skinny things, but they do look like poo. Hopefully over the next few days as his tummy heals more then they'll become more substantial.

[yola]

Hurrah for skinny poos :shock: !! And how is he in himself Alex, has he perked up still more?? I hope so!

[Elaine]

YAY!! Go Teddy, go Teddy xxx

[Mags]

:smt026 Woohoo........ thick or thin, who cares as long as he does them!! :-D

[alexgirl73]

LOL reading the last few posts. Teddy seems so much livlier again today and very happy in herself. Thats right I said herself. The vet is 95% Teddy is a girl! Major struggle to call him her, but bought a very girly daisy collar today to try and remind myself, lol! However, when I went to the vets to collect more i.d food, the vet kind of threw cold water on how I felt about Teddys improvement. He said that because they have no idea what is actually wrong with Teddy then there is a chance that it will all deteriorate again when she comes of the medication and food, so not to get to opptomisitc yet! Talk about a downer! I was so chuffed going in there today and came out feeling miserable again. So all we can do is hope that Teddy proves the nasty, mean vet wrong!

Fran, how goes things with Porsha and what does your vet say about treatment and how to deal with her when the antibiotics stop?

[Mags]

Teddy is a little girl ???? :shock::shock: :shock: I bet that was a shock Alex!

Well, I really hope she proves the vet wrong and continues to improve .......:D

[yola]

Well, I really hope she proves the vet wrong and continues to improve .......:D

Me too!!! I hope she shows the vet to be 100% wrong and comes through all this fighting fit :-D

[Booktigger]

Aww, I am sorry the vets werent as optimistic. I hope SHE proves them wrong!!!

[dinahsmum]

Alex - don't despair!
As I've said earlier my daughter's cat was on the verge of being pts because of intractible diarrhoea. Then he was put on the medicine I posted about - just a poo-firming thing, no miracle drugs - and there was just a massive turn around and then he was fine. No-one ever really got to the bottom (no pun intended) of the condition, but stopping the diarrhoea just made him better and he was able to come off the medicine eventually and is now fit and fine.
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PS - Teddie? :? How sweet ..... but confusing!

[Fran]

Fran, how goes things with Porsha and what does your vet say about treatment and how to deal with her when the antibiotics stop?

I am so pleased to hear things are improving for Teddy :D Porsha is doing great in the poo department. All poos solid now. Because Porsha's diarrhoea has been diagnosed and it has most likely been caused by the giardia infection, the vet is hopeful that these antibiotics she is on will have cured her of the infection and is hopeful that her diarrhoea won't return. She is on a three week course of antibiotics so I don't suppose we will know until she finishes them. I haven't given her any paste for a couple of days though and all seems well at the minute.

Try not to get too strung up on what your vet has said. Did you get the results of Teddy's faeces sample?

[alexgirl73]

Yes we got the results Fran, everything came back clear (and I have just had to retype that whole sentence about 5 times, 'cause Teddie ((I like it DM) keeps walking over the keyboard), the last one he was waiting for was camylobacter but that was clear too. so, no clearer to understanding what is actually wrong, but at the moment I dont care. I'm just enjoying my wonderful kitten!

[EmmaG]

ahhhh glad to hear the little poppet is getting better Alex, they are such a worry :)

[borderdawn]

Dont take any notice of the Vets negativity, YOU are living with Teddy, YOU can see the improvements, thats what counts. I hope SHE makes a full recovery.
Dawn.

[alexgirl73]

Thank you to everyone who has been so supportive over the last few weeks. It has meant so much to me, being able to come on here and pour out my worries to people who understand how I feel. One last push of goodwill please. Keep your fingers crossed for friday when the antibiotics and probiotic stop and we find out if she will continue to improve. I will post over the weekend to let you all know how things go. xx

[Mags]

We are all with you and Teddie, Alex .....http://bestsmileys.com/fingers/1.gif

She has got stronger over the last couple of days and this will also help her to get through this...:D

[dandysmom]

Fingers crossed, Alex, and sending good vibes to Teddie and you!!

[Kazz]

Dont take any notice of the Vets negativity, YOU are living with Teddy, YOU can see the improvements, thats what counts. I hope SHE makes a full recovery.
Dawn.


100% agree with Dawn on that score. According to the results of my Oscars results on CRF he should have been "dead" or on deaths door and he went on for another year very very very happily no problem at all. You know how Teddy is thats the "bottom line"

So glad all's looking up. Take care Karen

[Booktigger]

I Will keep my fingers crossed for you

[Kim]

Everything crossed for you.

[dinahsmum]

Alex - I know antibiotics have their individual course lenghts and that it's not normal to stay on them for a long time but surely if the probiotic 'poo medicine' is doing Teddie good she needn't come off them on Friday?
Glad the improvement is continuing

[alexgirl73]

The vet says to take her off it on friday and see how things go. He was waffling on about how she cant be on antibiotics etc for a long time (we are only talking a week here so far), TBH I'm thinking of changing vets if she deteriorates again when she comes off them.

[dinahsmum]

We'll all be looking over your shoulder to see how Teddy(ie) goes along.
Nowt wrong with asking for a detailed reasoning from the vet as to why no more probiotics.

[Sweet]

Sending you both ((((((big hugs)))))) x

[alexgirl73]

Teddie had a good day today! Only 2 poos the whole day, which is the smallest amount ever. She and the others enjoyed a pet or two from Smudgley when she popped round (would have slipped Teddie into her pocket if she could have methinks). But all in all, another encouraging day!

[Mags]

It must have been very debilitating for Teddie these past weeks, she must be gaining more strength now ....bless her :)

[Moli]

Really pleased she is doing so well. fingers crossed it continues.... x

[Fran]

So pleased things are looking up for Teddie :D Long may it continue!!

[Sweet]

((((((hugs Teddie)))))) x

[Elaine]

Am pleased to hear Teddy is still doing well. Hugs to you both xxx

[Donna]

Was worried about Teddy at the start of this thread, but glad he has started to recover. Hope all continues to go well x

[binza]

good to hear teddie is doing ok poor girl its about time somethings going right for her shes been through alots
hugs tracy

[Kim]

So pleased that things are improving for Teddy. You must be SO relieved!! :D

[yola]

Keep up the good work Teddie and Alex :-D

[alexgirl73]

Todays the day folks. Teddie has just had the last of her antibiotics and probiotic, so here's hoping that everything goes well over the next few days.

[Sweet]

Fingers and paws crossed here x

[sweetmimi]

Fingers and paws crossed here for you as well.

[Donna]

Hope everything goes well today x

[Mags]

Hope Teddie's improvement continues :D

[Booktigger]

I am still sending good vibes for her to get better.

[borderdawn]

Best of luck to teddie girl.
Dawn.

[Moli]

I am still sending good vibes for her to get better.
Me too......:D

[Elaine]

Me three:D

[binza]

me 4
tracy:-D

[EmmaG]

me 5 :) . . .

[Donna]

Me 6 :-) :-)

[alexgirl73]

Just a quick update. So far so good! She has been ok up to this point so hopefully the vet will give me the go ahead tomorrow to start trying her on pro-plan with the hills i.d. On a more down note, my Broxi has had really loose stools for the last few days now. I'm going to try starving him tomorrow as there was a bit of blood in his last one, but hopefully that was just as a result of irritation with the runs. Teddie didn't have this problem with hers so fingers crossed Broxis is just a one off.

[borderdawn]

Sounds good so far, hope Broxi picks up.
Dawn.

[binza]

alex i had problem with jake a few weeks ago he had blood in it but we put it to straining all the time, it did go back to normal poo's a bout a couple of days later, so i would'nt worry about it to much just one of those things.
tracy

[alexgirl73]

Update time. Teddie was started on the Purina Pro Plan today. The first few times she went to the litter tray were fine, however the last poo she did was a bit on the wet side. Hopefully this is just a little reaction to the new food being introduced. I have put her on this on the vets advice, has anyone else used this food before? If this doesn't work with her, it's back to the drawing board. Good thoughts everyone please!

[dinahsmum]

I certainly hope she'll be OK

[Elaine]

Are you introducing the food gradually Alex? If not then it could be because of the sudden change of food that has upset the balance again. I know pro plan do a delicate food for sensitive tummies, they also do and after care food for cats that have been poorly. I havent used pro plan myself so dont know too much about it.
Hope She doesnt have any more wet or runny poo though xxx

[alexgirl73]

Yes I'm introducing it EXTREMELY slowly! I gave her exactly what the vets nutritionist said to give her with the istructions to increase it a little bit more tomorrow and so on. However, I don't think I'll increase it tomorrow, just leave her on the same amount she had today. She isn't on the sensitive one, she's on the kitten formula, though I wanted to put her straight onto adult but was advised against it.

[Elaine]

Ofcourse I was forgetting she is still a wee poppet. Maybe as the week goes on her tummy will re-adjust to the food. Fingers crossed for her Alex xxx

[alexgirl73]

Things not looking too good at the moment. She is becoming very runny again. The funny thing is that the poo she does first thing is usually quite good looking, but during the day they go bad again. I'm coming to the conclusion that it is defiantely a dietary issue with her. I will persever with the hills i.d /pro plan mix until friday and see if things improve. If not, it's back to the vets again to speak to the nutritionist again.

[charliebubs]

Oh Alex, I'm so sorry to hear that Teddy still isn't doing so well. I've got my fingers crossed for her.
Lots of love
Charlie
xx

[Fran]

I'm sorry to hear this Alex :( It's just so very frustrating isn't it? I have Porsha ill again, not with the runs but with her rhinitis problem and now her eye has started to play up too. I know exactly how you are feeling - believe me :(

[smudgley]

Poor Teddie.

Purina pro plan is an excellent food, (reflected in the price:shock: )but I do find it is quite rich & can make a lot of kittens loose. Perhaps a more bland diet may be better?

[Mags]

So sorry to hear this Alex, poor Teddie.....:(

I hope they can sort out a diet that is suitable for the little poppet.......((((hugs))))

[Donna]

Sorry to hear things are not so good again x

[dinahsmum]

*sigh*
Come on Teddie - behave yourself!

[borderdawn]

Poor Teddie puss, hope she improves.
Dawn.

[alexgirl73]

Went back to the vets this afternoon as I didn't hold out much hope of things improving. She has been given a powder probiotic to take for 5 days this time and put on to pro plan sensitive digestion food. Poor baby has been full of wind today and everytime she lets rip she is dribbling again. I have got an appointment at a different vets on monday to register her on PDSA, but if she shows signs of being unwell they wont take her on, so have to get her fighting fit by then.

Smudgley, next time you're in Telford there is a bag of pro plan kitten 400g here if you want it.

[tilly]

Poor Teddy hope the new food work out for you
Sally

[alexgirl73]

Poor Teddie.

Purina pro plan is an excellent food, (reflected in the price:shock: )but I do find it is quite rich & can make a lot of kittens loose. Perhaps a more bland diet may be better?

NO idea what other foods to try, most of the ones she has been on are for sensitive tummies, but they still give her the runs.

[smudgley]

Poor Teddie - don't know what else to suggest. The sensitivity control is good food but really bland & that upset poor Teddie so don't know what else you can try. :(

[Sweet]

Poor Teddie ((((((hugs)))))) x

[Moli]

Poor little girl, hope you can find something to settle her tum....

[alexgirl73]

Teddie was put back into the kitchen last night as she was blowing wind all over the place and of course it wasn't just wind! My poor baby! I have given her the probiotic seperately from her food this time and then gave her a tiny bit of food (just to stop her looking at me with those sad eyes). Hopefully her tummy will settle down today ans she can get out the kitchen again.

[dinahsmum]

Oh, Teddie Teddie. :?
Trouble is, all the chopping and changing is probably doing no good either. :roll: Yet you're stressed and feel you should find the answer and think 'maybe x; maybe y will help'. I'd be the same.
I wonder if she would do better on almost permanent 'invalid' cat food? Boiled chicken, steamed white fish. Add a kitty vitamin pill occasionally. Keep it up for weeks at least, maybe months until she's grown/spayed? Or even raw food (but that's another avenue all together).
I dunno Alex. I know vets now make a deal of money from specialist food (my Min is on her renal diet food) and there may be a tendancy for them to recommend one after another, rather than do a bit of lateral thinking.
Sorry - random ramblings here, not recommendations. You do what you think is right for you both.
Take care x

[alexgirl73]

You are saying exactly what I am thinking DM! I'm really wondering whether my vets is acting in Teddies best interests or theirs! I have decided to give her today and tomorrow on this food along with the probiotic and see how she goes. If there is no improvement I will probably take her off it all completely and try her on the chicken again. Problem is, that the last time she was on a chicken diet, it didn't do her any good. Though perhaps with the probiotic it might be different this time. I need to find an answer fast though, as I can't keep doing this to her. It's not fair to her at all. Where would I get cat vitamin pills from DM?

[dinahsmum]

I was just thinking Kitzyme, that sort of thing. Just bog standard pet-shop fare. Obviously a diet restricted to just meat & fish lacks some things they would get if eating 'naturally' - feather/bone etc, so you could try and make up for that.
Dorwest herbs (easy to google) do lots of natural concoctions to help pets. They will speak on the phone or by email, though of course they stress that they are not vets and any advice is not veterinary. They might offer a potential remedy or just a supplement if she has to have a restricted diet.
Wish my trainee-vet neice was further in her studies - I would pick her brain for you.

[alexgirl73]

Thanks DM. You have been a lot of help to me on here (as has everyone). One of these days I will come on here shouting EUREKA! (hopefully)

[dinahsmum]

I just have the feeling that if you can keep her going, get nourishment into her and get her body grown she will be much more able to cope with life and her unreliable gut.

[alexgirl73]

Thats very true. She grew so much over the last week 'cause her little body didn't have everything running out of her. But personally I think she will always be a small cat now as she has gone so long lacking the growth nutrients. Cooper is a week younger than her and almost double her size!

[Fran]

Alex - I think homeopathy is certainly worth ago. I have been sent some homeopathic pillules by a friend of mine that she is hopeful will help Porsha's rhinitis problems. I haven't started using them yet but I think I may as well give them a go as it seems I have nothing to lose really. So it might be worth you giving Dorwest herbs a ring?


If it's any consolation, I know exactly how you are feeling right now. Please feel free to pm me if you wish and we can both moan together!

[alexgirl73]

Teddie quite poorly again tonight! I'm sitting here fighting back tears at the moment as I just don't know what else to do for her. It is so heartbreaking to watch her going back and forth from the litter tray (not making it half the time) and just hearing her little back end explode. It ends up running down her back legs which means washing her, which means upsetting her even more. It is all the more upsetting considering how well she had been doing last week. It was like she was a different kitten, and now she's all sore and miserable again. The upshot of this as well is that I'll have to cancel the appointment I had to get her registered with a PDSA practice, because they wont take her on if she's unwell. I'm sorry for offloading on you guys again, but I'm just so upset and don't know where else to go from here.

[Fran]

Oh dear :( Have you got any of that paste left Alex? If so starve her of food for 12- 24 hours but leave water down and give her some paste. If you haven't got the paste then you can buy it over the counter from your vet as it isn't a prescription medicine. Put her on a chicken and rice diet for a few days and give her guts a rest from cat food. I hope this works. I know it won't help how you are feeling but I do know how you feel. Keep your chin up x

[Mags]

Oh Alex, I'm so sorry you and Teddie are going through this again :( You must be at your wits end trying to think what you can do for the best for her.

You said chicken seemed to upset her tummy last time.......have you tried boiled/steamed white fish? It doesn't have to be expensive cod, I used to give Cassie coley when she had an upset tum and that was easily digested....

I really hope you find a way to get her back on track again .......... we are all with you Alex (((((big hugs))))) to you and Teddie..... xx

[alexgirl73]

I've not got any paste left Fran, but I do have a powder probiotic I got 2 days ago from them. I assume this does the same thing as the promax paste. It's the starving bit I don't want to do again, 'cause it seems as if that's all I've dont to the poor wee thing. I guess I don't have much option though as I have to do something to help her.

[Fran]

The probiotic powder isn't as good as the paste as the paste has a binding agent and other helpful things in it too.


Out of interest....other than cats, do you keep any other pets?

[alexgirl73]

I have a rabbit, Minstral, but he's kept in a hutch outside and never comes indoors. Teddie has never come into contact with him, and my rat Tinkerbell, died of old age just as we got Teddie.

[alexgirl73]

Oh, and my vet was reluctant to give me promax paste again as he said that it isn't a good idea to keep her on it as that just hides an underlying cause. Personally I thought giving it to her when she's trying to change foods would be the best idea. Could I go into another vets and pick up a tube of it?

[EmmaG]

I wouldn't be surprised Alex is you can buy Promax over the internet.

[Fran]

I wouldn't be surprised Alex is you can buy Promax over the internet.

Yes, you probably can Emma

Try www.hyperdrug.com (http://www.hyperdrug.com)

[Fran]

I have a rabbit, Minstral, but he's kept in a hutch outside and never comes indoors. Teddie has never come into contact with him, and my rat Tinkerbell, died of old age just as we got Teddie.

I just had a moment of trying to think of a cause and wondered if you had any reptiles - tortoise, iguana, lizard etc....as they can carry salmonella

[EmmaG]

Also this place sells it, not sure how the price compares to the vets though.

http://www.medicines4yourpet.com/index.asp?uid=4033571062006&function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=370

[Fran]

Oh, and my vet was reluctant to give me promax paste again as he said that it isn't a good idea to keep her on it as that just hides an underlying cause. Personally I thought giving it to her when she's trying to change foods would be the best idea. Could I go into another vets and pick up a tube of it?

My vet is the opposite and says I can call in anytime for a tube if I need it without having to consult her :? Have you considered taking Teddie to a different vet for a second opinion Alex?

[EmmaG]

I just had a moment of trying to think of a cause and wondered if you had any reptiles - tortoise, iguana, lizard etc....as they can carry salmonella

How strange Fran, I was thinking salmonella as well ...

[borderdawn]

http://www.medicines4yourpet.com/index.asp?uid=4033571062006&function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=370

http://www.vetscriptions.co.uk/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=1&Product_Code=PROMAX&Category_Code=
You can get it here Alex.
Dawn.

[EmmaG]

lol snap Dawn ;)

[Mags]

Here's another link Alex.......

http://www.vetscriptions.co.uk/mm5/merchant.mvc?

[alexgirl73]

Thanks guys. only prob is I cant buy it over the internet. I'll go into my vet s again tomorrow and see if I can get another tube. My worry about going to another vets is that they'll want to run all the tests and try all the things we've already done with her, and I just can't afford it. This was one of the reasons I was hoping she'd be well enough to pass a PDSA check up. Oh, and the vet tested for salmonella 'cause he thought that at the beginning too.

[alexgirl73]

not fair, its cheaper than at the vets.

[Fran]

I personally think it would be worth repeating the faeces sample as I know my vet told me that Giardia can be difficult to detect and sometimes you have to send more than one sample.

Pm your address Alex. I have a new tube of Promax here that I would be willing to send you free of charge

[alexgirl73]

Now that's strange, because my vet has never said that to me. I'm really beginning to wonder about these people. They were a new practice which opened here not too long ago, and it's a lovely new facility, state of the art and all that, but I'm thinking the vet doesn't have a clue! I have asked a few friends of mine about their vets and TBH not one of them has had a good thing to say about most of the practices in Telford. I just wish there was a PDSA hospital here.

[EmmaG]

Sorry to hear that your vets don't seem to be very helpful Alex, I wish you lived a bit closer as I would recommend my vets, who I think are the best I have ever found.

[borderdawn]

You can buy it over the internet its not a prescription drug.
Dawn.