Iams

[Donna]

Been looking at various cat food website, and somehow managed to come across this site:

http://www.iamskills.com/index.shtml

I have noticed that no one on this site has mentioned they feed their cats Iams, and wonder whether it is because of this animal cruelty. My daughter has always told me never to buy Iams because of animal cruelty but I was never sure she had heard right (didnt buy it anyway as it would of upset her if she believed this).

Does anyone here know of this to be true, or not?

[Mags]

I have heard that too Donna........

[Fran]

Donna - you would be shocked how many companies test their products on animals and subject them to horrifying ordeals and yes Iams is allegedly one of those companies :(

[Donna]

Donna - you would be shocked how many companies test their products on animals and subject them to horrifying ordeals and yes Iams is allegedly one of those companies :(

There are more companies :shock:

[Fran]

There are more companies :shock:

:cat1 and you would be surprised which companies they are :(

[Donna]

:cat1 and you would be surprised which companies they are :(

I am talking about pet foods - know there are obviously lots of animal testing that goes on, but assumed pet foods would not be in the equation as its to the benefit of the health of a pet, so why injure another to do tests?

Does that make any sense to you, cos it doesnt to me!!:roll:

[Fran]

I am talking about pet foods - know there are obviously lots of animal testing that goes on, but assumed pet foods would not be in the equation as its to the benefit of the health of a pet, so why injure another to do tests?

Does that make any sense to you, cos it doesnt to me!!:roll:

Honestly Donna, you would have your eyes opened if you looked further into this :(

[Donna]

Honestly Donna, you would have your eyes opened if you looked further into this :(

You have me all concerned now Fran:?

[Fran]

You have me all concerned now Fran:?

I didn't mean to worry you Donna, I am just pointing out that there are several companies who's practise of testing is very questionable..look into it when you have time..

[Donna]

Just seen this... I am gobsmacked...

Brands to Boycott
As mentioned above, the main culprits for cruel and unethical animal testing are the major international 'pet' food businesses.

IAMS / Eukanuba (http://www.uncaged.co.uk/iams.htm) owned by Procter & Gamble (http://www.uncaged.co.uk/pg.htm)
Hills Science Diet owned by Colgate PalmoliveThe majority of pet food brands available in the UK are produced by two animal testing companies - "Nestlé Purina/Friskies" and "Pedigree, Masterfoods (Mars Inc)."

Nestlé Purina/Friskies: Alpo, Bonio, Felix, Go Cat, Gourmet, Omega Complete, Proplan, Spillers, Vital Balance, Winalot.
Pedigree, Masterfoods (Mars Inc): Bounce, Cesar, Chappie, Frolic, James Wellbeloved, Katkins, Kitekat, Pal, Pedigree Chum, Royal Canin, Sheba, Techni-cal (US & Canada), Whiskas. Pedigree also manufacture Thomas rabbit food and Trill bird food.

[Fran]

Take a look at this Donna..

http://www.uncaged.co.uk/iams.htm

[Fran]

and this :?

http://www.uncaged.co.uk/petfood.htm

[Fran]

Now ask me why I promote raw feeding? :roll:

[Donna]

and this :?

http://www.uncaged.co.uk/petfood.htm


That was the website I found the list of bad companies on in my previous thread.

I am gutted to learn that the food I have been feeding my cats have come from those companies. Felix and Whiskas are such well known brands but have managed to avoid the anti-Iams type campaign to inform people of what they are doing.

[Donna]

Now ask me why I promote raw feeding? :roll:

I assume you avoid all this commercial food then? I dont think I could make my cats their own food (raw or otherwise)

[Fran]

I assume you avoid all this commercial food then? I dont think I could make my cats their own food (raw or otherwise)

My dogs have no commercial food at all Donna. They are 100% raw fed. My cats are partly raw fed but because cats are more difficult to raw feed are supplemented with both wet and dry cat food :oops: I really am striving to feed the cats 100% raw too..

[Donna]

I am gonna get some of the Burns dry food - was thinking about that earlier anyway. Try just going completely dry with the cats as I am constantly just throwing the wet pouches away. Can leave dry food in different places for Chloe.

[Fran]

I am gonna get some of the Burns dry food - was thinking about that earlier anyway. Try just going completely dry with the cats as I am constantly just throwing the wet pouches away. Can leave dry food in different places for Chloe.

Burns is a very good choice Donna....good luck with it!

[Donna]

Burns is a very good choice Donna....good luck with it!

Thanks for the advice last night Fran. It is so hard to find decent food that the cats will actually eat. I know Chloe is fussy, but Misty is not and she tends to waste so much too. Maybe I just expect them to eat more, but I dont put more than two pouches down a day for them which seems to be the normal amount.

As it is summer soon I will rather dry food be left out than smelly wet food that I was never that happy with. They can have the dry food and then in the evening I can cook them a cod fillet as they both enjoy that.

*Off to find a good online site to buy Burns cat food!*

[dinahsmum]

There you go Donna http://www.burns-pet-nutrition.co.uk/
The delivery service is very efficient.

Mine enjoy Burns.

I'm hoping to feed the kittens raw - here's a previous thread with a link to a raw site/recipe etc http://www.catpages.co.uk/talkcats/showthread.php?t=4622&highlight=raw+grinder

[CJK]

therea rea a lot of cat food companies that test that we are not always made aware of.
Also stuff we may knw more about like cosmetics etc.

too much of it going on.
Wouldnt it be nice to get hold of the "scientists" lock them up in cages and do these tests on them!

[Donna]

therea rea a lot of cat food companies that test that we are not always made aware of.
Also stuff we may knw more about like cosmetics etc.

too much of it going on.
Wouldnt it be nice to get hold of the "scientists" lock them up in cages and do these tests on them!

Now that would be a good idea Cj!!:-D

[Donna]

There you go Donna http://www.burns-pet-nutrition.co.uk/
The delivery service is very efficient.

Mine enjoy Burns.

Thanks for the link DM. Just ordered:

Feline - Ocean Fish 500g
Feline - Chicken & Brown Rice 500g

To see if they like it. If they do, then will order a bigger bag next time!!:-D

[dinahsmum]

I hope you asked for samples Donna - they are happy to send them. If you didn't get on the phone quick!

[Donna]

I hope you asked for samples Donna - they are happy to send them. If you didn't get on the phone quick!

no i didnt!!:shock: :roll:

[Donna]

Interesting reading, if anyone is........ er..........interested!!:shock:

http://www.burns-pet-nutrition.co.uk/Burns_health_guide_ebook2005.pdf

[Kim]

I think that Burns is excellent food and I would recommend it 100%! I have met Mr Burns a couple of times at Crufts and he was a great person and really cares about animal welfare.

I would never, ever feed Iams/Eukanuba. I saw a video of secret filming at the uncaged stand at the Supreme Cat Show a few years back and I was absolutely appalled. Although other companies, such as Pedigree do testing, I think it is acknowledged that Iams is the most cruel and invasive. If anyone is interested take a look at http://www.iamscruelty.com/ which is a PETA site.

[Donna]

Been out to various pet shops in my area and cannot find Burns cat food anywhere. I will just have to wait until my online order arrives.

[moggymommy]

I thought that JWB was ok, even tho it is on the list in reply #10 the general consensus on dogpages was that the owners of the company have other products which are tested on animals but JWB is still made by the original manufacturers so it is exempt from the list (still lining the pockets of the owners tho :roll: )

So, appart from burns, jwb and autarky, which other foods are ok?

[Donna]

Recommended 'pet' foods

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Europa Pet Foods Ltd(Brands: Europa - please note: this is NOT Europa supermarkets)
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Vegecat/Vegekit01424 427393info@vegansociety.com (info@vegansociety.com)These appear to be the safest bet.

[Booktigger]

This was posted on Pet Rescue.
PET FOOD MANUFACTURER FINED FOR MAKING UNAUTHORISED CLAIMS

Burns Pet Nutrition Ltd and company secretary Mr John Burns have each been found guilty of two offences under Regulation 3 of the Marketing Authorisations for Veterinary Medicinal Products Regulations 1994.

The charges concerned two pet feeds for which claims for medicinal effects were made. Any product for administration to animals and which makes claims for medicinal effects is considered, under European Law, to be a veterinary medicine. All veterinary medicines placed on the market in the UK are required to be authorised by the Veterinary Medicines Directorate (VMD).

The case was brought after the company failed to comply with advice given by the VMD on the appropriate marketing of the feeds.

After a three-day trial at Llanelli Magistrate's Court, both defendants were found to be guilty of all charges. Burns Pet Nutrition Ltd was fined a total of £2,000 and ordered to pay costs of £5,181. Mr Burns was fined a total of £1,000 and ordered to pay costs of £5,181.

[Donna]

This was posted on Pet Rescue.
PET FOOD MANUFACTURER FINED FOR MAKING UNAUTHORISED CLAIMS

Burns Pet Nutrition Ltd and company secretary Mr John Burns have each been found guilty of two offences under Regulation 3 of the Marketing Authorisations for Veterinary Medicinal Products Regulations 1994.

The charges concerned two pet feeds for which claims for medicinal effects were made. Any product for administration to animals and which makes claims for medicinal effects is considered, under European Law, to be a veterinary medicine. All veterinary medicines placed on the market in the UK are required to be authorised by the Veterinary Medicines Directorate (VMD).

The case was brought after the company failed to comply with advice given by the VMD on the appropriate marketing of the feeds.

After a three-day trial at Llanelli Magistrate's Court, both defendants were found to be guilty of all charges. Burns Pet Nutrition Ltd was fined a total of £2,000 and ordered to pay costs of £5,181. Mr Burns was fined a total of £1,000 and ordered to pay costs of £5,181.
I am not worried that Burns claimed the food had medicinal qualities JUST THAT IT DOES NOT CONTAIN BITS OF DEAD CATS AND DOGS to be honest!!! And no animal was harmed in the making of the product - which this product does not.

[dinahsmum]

mmmm
I think the Burns prosecution was brought about by the large manufacturers. They were caught on the same sort of legislation/regulations that may stop 'Health Food' shops selling vitamins & supplements etc. You can't say so & so is good for you, unless you can come up with documented scientific evidence for same. Hence the awful things I believe you see in those websites (don't look, I am a wimp).
I'd rather buy Burns, knowing pretty well what is in it, what is not in it and that 'no pet animals were harmed in the production of this petfood'.
I am hoping to feed any new arrivals on raw.

[Kim]

Definitely agree DM. I think the ingredients in Burns is excellent and the food is produced ethically. That's what matters to me. Caleb (our new dog) is fed mainly raw (and some home cooked meals) he is looking great on it. The cats were not impressed when I offered them raw, however we did re-home an elderly feral once and she was like a cat possessed for raw food!!