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05-09-2006, 08:39 PM   #1

Ginger females have you met one?


Following on from Naomi's post about the ginger kitten, it reminded me how many people think Cleo (my cat) is a Tom I assume its because she's ginger - seems most people associate ginger with Toms. Cleo looks like a female noticably smaller and daintier than a Tom.

Has anyone else had or met a ginger female?

Oh I was also told ginger females were infertile but she was spayed as a kitten so don't know about that.

Karen



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05-09-2006, 08:42 PM   #2

Re: Ginger females have you met one?


When I was a very little girl my friends family had a fluffy ginger. She was a girl cos she kept having kittens and they kept drowning them .... different times



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05-09-2006, 08:51 PM   #3

Re: Ginger females have you met one?


No idea Kazz, sorry, but would like to find out if there is a completely ginger female out there!



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05-09-2006, 08:52 PM   #4

Re: Ginger females have you met one?


Yes, a friend of mine has a Ginger Girl, also had her op. x



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05-09-2006, 08:53 PM   #5

Re: Ginger females have you met one?


They are much more rare aren't they? Suppose I could google - I'll come back if I find anything.



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05-09-2006, 08:54 PM   #6

Re: Ginger females have you met one?


Yes they are out there! I board a couple of ginger girlies, "Mustard" comes to mind, all ginger and I am sure there are others. I did board "Minky" an all ginger girl, or boy, or BOTH!! a hermaphrodite, she was spayed and castrated, but absolutely stunk like a Tom Cat, I couldnt board her again, couldnt get rid of the smell.
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05-09-2006, 08:58 PM   #7

Re: Ginger females have you met one?


Don't know if this will work. It's from 'Notes and Queries' in The Guardian.
It's all X and Y again, as I suspected!

It has been my observation that in the cat world tortoiseshell (known in the US as "calico") cats are always female, while all ginger cats are male. Can anyone explain/confirm this ?

Chris Martin, Bridgeport, USA
  • As a cat lover myself I always considered the above assertion to be true. That is until one day, when I visited a cat protection league re-homing centre, and saw a female ginger cat suckling her litter of three (all ginger) kittens. In order to explain this we need to consider Kitty genetics. All cats have 19 pairs of chromosomes, and like humans, cats have one pair of sex chromosomes. These are the ones that make them male or female and they play an essential role in determining their colour. In females, both sex chromosomes are X making females XX. Males are XY, the Y making them male. The gene which makes a cat ginger is located on the X chromosome. The gene for mighty ginger will override all other colours. Since males have only one X, they either are or aren't ginger. Female cats have two X's in each cell. As far as the cells are concerned two X's is one too many, so each cell deactivates one of the X chromosomes in a fairly random fashion. Sometimes the ginger X will be left on producing a bit of orange fur and in some cells the ginger X will be turned off and the genes for black, brown or other colour fur will be produced. And there you have Tortoiseshell Cat. Since males only need to have the orange gene on one chromosome to become ginger, and females have to have it on two, ginger males outnumber females 3 to 1. To show both orange and another colour such as black or brown a cat has to have two different X chromosomes per cell. Therefore tortoiseshell female cats outnumber males by at least 200 to 1, although I suspect actual figures are much higher. When a male tortie does appear, (a result of a mutation producing two X?s and one Y) he is invariable sterile and may even exhibit feminine behaviour such as nurturing nearby young. So the answer to your question is that your observation is, as a rule of thumb, spot on as far as tortoiseshell's are concerned, although female gingers are fairly common.
    Huw Rees, London UK
  • Well, I can confirm that not all ginger cats are male - we have a female one!
    Jean Lewer, East Grinstead, England
  • All tortoiseshell and tortoiseshell and white (Calico) cats are female. But not all gingers are male, though most are. The reason is that in cats the colour gene is carried on the X chromosome. As females have two Xs they can express two colours in the coat, and if black is inherited from one parent and ginger (red) from the other, the result is a calico cat. The calico's brother, having only one X chromosome, would be either ginger or black, depending on the colour of the mother. I believe there was a case of an apparently male calico cat but it was found to have a mutation giving an XXY chromosome set-up, and was sterile. For a female to be ginger she would have to inherit red from both parents. This could happen if the father was ginger and the mother tortoiseshell for example. The white is inherited on a separate gene and is independent of the colour gene. It can appear on either sex and with any colour of coat. For some reason not understood it is usually found that in tortoiseshell and white cats the patches of black and ginger are larger and more distinct than in the plain tortoiseshell without white. A tabby pattern of stripes can also be inherited separately, resulting in a cat known as a "torby" (Tabby-tortoiseshell).
    Susan Deal, Sheffield UK
  • I had a ginger female cat until recently - her mother was a tortoiseshell but I can't vouch for the father!
    David Lawton, Woking England
  • Tabby cats can be transsexual. We thought our tabby kitten was a male until the first visit to the vet, who put us straight. So we now have a female cat that is very confused to be called Thomas.
    Michael Mace, Chelmsford, Essex
  • My female cat is ginger!
    Jim Ellis, Oxford, England
  • When I was a student our house was adopted by a beautiful female ginger cat. There can be no doubt about her gender as she give birth to a litter of six kittens, all of which were ginger and half of which were female.
    Ken Donald, Chelmsford UK
  • Calico cats are always female (or XXY males) as the mix of colour is generated by the fact that in each cell in the embryo, one of the X chromosomes is 'switched off'. This process is random, meaning that some groups of cells have the paternal X active and others have the maternal X active. In fact this process happens in all female mammals, but not all mammals carry skin/fur colour on the X chromosome so it isn't so apparent. Ginger cats can be male or female. The ginger colour is recessive and carried on the part of the X chromosome not matched by the Y. Thus, any male cat inheriting this from the mother will be ginger, whereas female offspring, inheriting a differnt colour allele from one parent are more likely to mask the ginger. Female ginger cats inherit the recessive ginger allele from both parents. (Colour blindness in humans works the same way)
    Ann, Leicester UK
  • As a child I had a ginger cat called Sadie. She had a litter of 5 kitten, all contained within the same birth sack and all female (identical quintuplets). She was pretty clever, I was grossed out as I was only five and witnessed the birth! Then she ran away.
    Shelley, Nelson New Zealand
  • Approximalty 99.5% of tortise shell cats are female. About 75% of ginger cats are male. It has been previously clearly stated how the calico and tortise shell cays come about, and why they are nearly always female. However, the Ginger cat mystery is still not clearly explained.
  • I was wondering the same. We have a 2 week old kitten who has a white belly and chest, and the rest of him is a mix of ginger and black. We assumed that colour could only be female but it looks like we were wrong.
    Liz Gregory, Blackpool UK
  • My Japanese uncle once had a male calico cat. He told me they were extremely rare, and that he had been offered a large amuont of money for it by a (Japanese) sailor, as they considered them very good luck.
    Sandy, Melbourne, Australia
  • We were also told this same story and thought we would never find a ginger female. This weekend we found one - at a flea market - she is gorgeous - our vet could not believe she was female until he had checked it out for himself. Her name is Ruby.
    Jill Coetzee, Johannesburg, South Africa
  • There was more but it made the post too long




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05-09-2006, 09:02 PM   #8

Re: Ginger females have you met one?


The first ad I googled for Red female kitten, showed a red (ginger) spotted female BSH kitten!
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05-09-2006, 09:11 PM   #9

Re: Ginger females have you met one?


DM, that was a fascinating, informative post! Thanks! Explains why I've never seen a female ginger...they're out there, but not as many as toms! Cat I grew up with was a semi-longhair ginger tom.



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05-09-2006, 09:26 PM   #10

Re: Ginger females have you met one?


Years ago I fostered a ginger kitten, we named it Fergus, it was very small, never got to adult size, when he went to be done, discovered he was infact a Fergie...



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