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Luke
06-08-2007, 10:17 AM
Clementine's off on her travels a lot lately due to the sun.
But managed to get some half decent Bella pictures, she's ever so grown up now. Was in a right grumble pants mood this morning though.
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/persillove/Picture023.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/persillove/Picture051.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/persillove/Picture062-1.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/persillove/Picture067.jpg
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t229/persillove/Picture027.jpg

Luke
06-08-2007, 10:18 AM
Also, before it's pointed out..I'm quite aware that she is looking a bit, shall we say, "robust".

babycakes
06-08-2007, 10:32 AM
The first pic is excellent (they all are but I love the first one)

Erin
06-08-2007, 10:36 AM
great pics as ever Luke :) Bella is gorgeous,I love that first pic of her :)

Jane
06-08-2007, 10:42 AM
Aww look at that ikkle pink tongue! She's lovely :D

Fran
06-08-2007, 10:44 AM
Lovely piccies of Bella Luke!

random
06-08-2007, 11:07 AM
Excellent snaps Luke! :D

Elaine
06-08-2007, 12:07 PM
She's gorgous Luke xxx

Donna
06-08-2007, 01:21 PM
Very beautiful.... think she looks purrfect!!

whiskey
06-08-2007, 01:23 PM
great pics i love the first one:)

dandysmom
06-08-2007, 04:05 PM
Nice pics, Luke, her color is so brilliant!

yola
06-08-2007, 04:37 PM
I love the way her stunning deep orange eyes match her deep orange coat . . . she's a credit to you Luke :D and your pictures are, as ever, excellent :-D

charliebubs
06-08-2007, 04:39 PM
Fantastic pics, Luke!!!! I love the ones with her tongue poking out!!!!! :)

She is growing into a lovely young lady.........if a little round!!!!! (like me :oops:) ;)

Moli
06-08-2007, 04:53 PM
Beautiful!!!

Tink
07-08-2007, 02:50 AM
haha..i wanna grab that tongue...LOL. too cute!!!

mable1718
07-08-2007, 05:03 PM
great photos i love the first one th best though

Jac
07-08-2007, 06:31 PM
Luke have you got something to tell us?

sammy
07-08-2007, 06:52 PM
Luke have you got something to tell us?

Was wondering when someone was going to ask that! ;)

dandysmom
07-08-2007, 09:13 PM
I was wondering too.......

Fran
07-08-2007, 10:53 PM
Come on Luke, put them all out of their misery ;)

Luke
08-08-2007, 12:20 AM
Aye,your all quite right..she is expecting.
Unexpected shall we say. Personal circumstances had proceeded the important of getting her speyed tbf, and hang me now for sounding as irresponsible as that but it is true. And she did slip out, and she did, unfortunatley, get caught by a looming big grey romeo who had been hanging around for a while.
Presumed to be between 7.5-8.5 weeks gone, so getting close. I think four or five babies. Very noticeable and active bumps now. Surplus number of homes found already so that is one thing that makes things a little easier, & Bella shall be speyed as soon as she has had the kittens and her milk has dried up.

On a more serious note, I had declined from posting anything on the boards and keeping it between select people due to the public hanging many have received. If anyone has anything to say on this matter, take it to Pm please..not my threads. And I would advise anyone thinking of offering a lecture on speying, or responsibility or what should or could have been done via pm to reconsider as my response will not show that your message has been well received, to be brutally honest.
We were offered the option to abort, we saw it too far along and it was due to our fault they were conceived and 'in this world', they didn't ask to be here..so shouldn't be robbed of the life they are about to begin just because we can't be doing with picking up the pieces of something that is down to our faults, if people choose to abort then that is down to them..we however did not see it as an option.
Bella is in good health and coping well with the pregnancy. Everything is ready for the babies now. Once they are, hopefully, safely here..they will stay till old enough and then, bar one who will stay with us, go off too the homes that are lined up to live happy lives.
I shall keep you all updated.

Fran
08-08-2007, 07:27 AM
What's done is done Luke, your priority now is Bella and the safe arrival of her babies and your responsibility to get her speyed as soon as possible afterwards.

We'll all be waiting for news Luke, do keep us posted. Perhaps you might like to start her one thread in the 'your Cat's Pages' section where you can add all the updates, piccies as you have them?

Sounds like you are all ready and prepared for the imminent new arrivals but if you need any help/advice just shout ;)

Jac
08-08-2007, 11:40 AM
In an ideal world "accidents" wouldnt happen and this is far from an ideal world.
To be honest I dont think anyone has the right to judge anyone.
I also think it's sad that you felt you couldn't tell us before now Luke. Surley Catsey hasn't come to that?
As Fran said start another thread when your babies get here. Looking forward to seeing them and I hope all goes well.

whiskey
08-08-2007, 12:24 PM
congratulations to both you and bella im sure she will be just fine and make a perfect mother.i must say it was the most wonderful feeling when daisy decided she wanted me there for the whole one the birth its something i have never experienced and prob never will again.in the 26 years ive owned cats this is the first time i have had the privilege and it was amazing something i will remember forever. like i said at the beginning luke im sure bella will make i fine mother and i hope evrything goes smoothly for you both:)

dandysmom
08-08-2007, 03:55 PM
Accidents happen, I too am sorry that you were reluctant to post anything earlier. No one here is perfect, and who am I to cast stones? Just keep us posted about Bella and the kittens when they come....oooh, more Catsey kittens! (((hugs))), Luke...

Moli
08-08-2007, 05:13 PM
Cannot add anymore than has already been said Luke, these things happen.. Sounds like you have it all organised and are well prepeared for the kittens, keep us posted....

babycakes
08-08-2007, 05:41 PM
You sound like you are responsibly dealing with it anyway Luke. You are looking after Bella and have homes for the arrivals. You will enjoy the experience and everything happens for a reason. Stop beating yourself up with such a large stick. Just show us some pics as and when please

Elaine
08-08-2007, 08:25 PM
Well, I am deeply saddened and angered by this news.
It only shows me that people ARE irresponsible and have NO understanding or appreciation of the enormity of the problems of over population.
Every day I read about and talk with people concerned with rescue and rehoming and the constant struggle both financially and emotionally.
For each kitten born an older cat dies as it cannot be rehomed.
There are NO excuses!

Kazz
08-08-2007, 08:29 PM
I have to say I am in total agreement with Elaine on this.

charliebubs
08-08-2007, 08:30 PM
I'm not one to judge as Lily had her own little accident, albeit that the circumstances were different.

Best of luck with Bella and the new arrivals, Luke. Keep us updated and def with pics!! :)

Luke
08-08-2007, 08:31 PM
Well, I am deeply saddened and angered by this news.
It only shows me that people ARE irresponsible and have NO understanding or appreciation of the enormity of the problems of over population.
Every day I read about and talk with people concerned with rescue and rehoming and the constant struggle both financially and emotionally.
For each kitten born an older cat dies as it cannot be rehomed.
There are NO excuses!
Did I not highlight in my previous post if anyone had anything like this to say to take it to PM?
Maybe I did not make myself quite clear enough.
And strike me down for not being such a perfect owner as yourself. And I do not take kindly to being called irresponsible or being preached to thankyou. I am fully aware of the rescue situation. I do not need it highlighting about the problem thankyou very much.
In response to previous asking of 'has catsey really come to this', then I think yes it has. And this post just proves it perfectly.
I shan't be posting about Bella's babies. I'm going to ask for my account to be deleted too I think. Far too high and mighty on here.
Maybe if people removed their unwanted noses from other peoples business then this board would be what it once was, a together and homely place where one did not fear judgement or frequent arguing.
You have no idea thankyou very much of one's personal situation of late. And I would seriously advise you to consider very carefuly before making such arrogant statements as 'ones personal situation does not make an affect on the importance of neutering' or some other trash that one may feel the need to spurt, as I will not bite my tounge.
It has been nice knowing you all. Thankyou to the few members on board who have offered advice instead of criticism lately.

Elaine
08-08-2007, 08:33 PM
I dont care Luke, I wanted to say what I had to say and say it publicly.
I have little more to say to you.

Luke
08-08-2007, 08:35 PM
I dont care Luke, I wanted to say what I had to say and say it publicly.
I have little more to say to you.
Fabulous for you, I hope it makes you feel as if you have helped to point out the obvious fact that she shouldn't be pregnant and shouldn't be having kittens, thankyou for pointing out the fact to such an obvious simpleton as myself.
I have little more to say to you either, it will be waste of typing effort to involve myself in conversation with one such as yourself I believe.

charliebubs
08-08-2007, 08:38 PM
TBH Luke - we know that it's not your responsibility, as you are only a young teenager. It's your parents that should have dealt with the situation, but it is too late for all that now and no amount of arguing will change the situation.

Perhaps Elaine doesn't know your age?!?! :?

Luke
08-08-2007, 08:42 PM
TBH Luke - we know that it's not your responsibility, as you are only a young teenager. It's your parents that should have dealt with the situation, but it is too late for all that now and no amount of arguing will change the situation.

Perhaps Elaine doesn't know your age?!?! :?
It is irrespective. The fact of the matter is, NOBODY has any idea of things that have been going on in our private life, and it frankly has nothing to do with anyone on catsey anyway. It is not the place of any internet, tbf, NOBODY to judge me, my family, or anything that goes on in our lives.
I had no intention of posting about Bella's kittens due to this response. As I have said, it has been nice here whilst it lasted.
I've also asked for this thread to be closed, it was not intended for a public hanging.

Elaine
08-08-2007, 08:44 PM
TBH Luke - we know that it's not your responsibility, as you are only a young teenager. It's your parents that should have dealt with the situation, but it is too late for all that now and no amount of arguing will change the situation.

Perhaps Elaine doesn't know your age?!?! :?


I have no idea what Lukes age is. So maybe what i said should have been directed at his parents, none the less its how I feel and i have a right to express how i feel, publicly or privately.

charliebubs
08-08-2007, 08:45 PM
I don't think you have had a "public hanging" Luke - be rational.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and to voice them in this forum.

You are right that nobody knows what's going on in your private life and that is your own business.

I hope that whatever issues you have had in your personal life are now resolved and that Bella has an easy pregnancy, birth and beautiful babies.

Please don't let this spoil your time on Catsey. Just agree to disagree.

alexgirl73
08-08-2007, 08:45 PM
I wasn't going to post for the time being but unfortunately I feel I had to in this case! I'm afraid Luke that I also feel you have been completely irresponsible in this! You have known for months now that Bella was capable of getting pregnant and CHOSE not to have her speyed. You talked about personal circumstances as your reason, but as I am on benefits and still managed to have my cat speyed I wonder what on earth could have prevented this. Also you mentioned that one of your dogs was put in recently to be done, why not Bella?
I think that you asked not to be lectured because you know that you are in the wrong here Luke, she's not even a year old yet!!! I personally think that you decided to let her have a litter and that is why she is pregnant. It's great that you have homes lined up for them, but what if you hadn't, more unwanted kittens for rescues to deal with. I apologise if I upset anyone with this but felt that I had to speak my mind on this also. You may make sarcastic replies to me also Luke if it makes you feel better, but IMO you couldn't expect to come on here and not get some sort of reaction, you chose not to have Bella neutered, you chose to let her go outside (and whether she was in the garden or not we all know what cats in heat are like) and yes I do think you have been irresponsible!

Elaine
08-08-2007, 08:48 PM
Och whats the point.

Luke
08-08-2007, 08:48 PM
I wasn't going to post for the time being but unfortunately I feel I had to in this case! I'm afraid Luke that I also feel you have been completely irresponsible in this! You have known for months now that Bella was capable of getting pregnant and CHOSE not to have her speyed. You talked about personal circumstances as your reason, but as I am on benefits and still managed to have my cat speyed I wonder what on earth could have prevented this. Also you mentioned that one of your dogs was put in recently to be done, why not Bella?
I think that you asked not to be lectured because you know that you are in the wrong here Luke, she's not even a year old yet!!! I personally think that you decided to let her have a litter and that is why she is pregnant. It's great that you have homes lined up for them, but what if you hadn't, more unwanted kittens for rescues to deal with. I apologise if I upset anyone with this but felt that I had to speak my mind on this also. You may make sarcastic replies to me also Luke if it makes you feel better, but IMO you couldn't expect to come on here and not get some sort of reaction, you chose not to have Bella neutered, you chose to let her go outside (and whether she was in the garden or not we all know what cats in heat are like) and yes I do think you have been irresponsible!
It was not down to finances thankyou very much.It was not down to choice that she became pregnant either thankyou very much. I have no need to explain what personal circumstances were. It is none of anyones business.
And if you would care to take note, i had refrained from posting any news of the litter.
Last post. Anything else you put you are very much wasting your time.

LucySiamese
08-08-2007, 09:06 PM
Im sorry but i also agree, its a shame she is having a litter as there are so many moggys in rescues already, i dont see why she could'nt have been kept indoors, i have a siamese and she has never got out the door! if you really want to keep your cat in you can!

As for people who say they dont neuter due to finances i strongly believe if you cannot afford vet fees then you shouldnt own a pet.

But whats done is done, and i hope everything goes well with the birth and the kittens find good homes.

Luke
08-08-2007, 09:07 PM
Im sorry but i also agree, its a shame she is having a litter as there are so many moggys in rescues already, i dont see why she could'nt have been kept indoors, i have a siamese and she has never got out the door! if you really want to keep your cat in you can!

As for people who say they dont neuter due to finances i strongly believe if you cannot afford vet fees then you shouldnt own a pet.

But whats done is done, and i hope everything goes well with the birth and the kittens find good homes.
Not once were finances mentioned, just to clarify. I felt strongly to drive this point home, one last time.

LucySiamese
08-08-2007, 09:18 PM
Not once were finances mentioned, just to clarify. I felt strongly to drive this point home, one last time.


Hi Luke, i never said your circumstrances where to do with finances, i said people who say!

You obviosly care for bella as you are going to get her fixed after the kittens are born and you have taken some lovely pictures of her, but not only do you have to worry about finding good homes for the kittens you are putting bella at risk of getting things like feline aids ect... which in turn will cost money at the vets.

Fran
08-08-2007, 09:27 PM
This is not what I expected to hear from Catsey members and I feel disappointed that this thread has gone this way. I've reported the thread to Az as I am deeply saddened. You've all voiced your opinions, could we please leave the thread to lie now?

borderdawn
08-08-2007, 09:45 PM
This is the very raeson i dont post on here any more, its known as the "irresponsible breeding forum" and frowned upon greatly. luke, I am very very upset and dissappointed in you I really am, you didnt hesitate with ralph, yet this "baby" seems to have taken no front row with her own health. Its awful and so are all the other irresponsibly bred litters of kittens that are all "accident" it stinks, I hate it and if they were dogs on ANY forum it would be stamped on, how thoroughly disheartening.:evil: :evil: :evil:

EmmaG
08-08-2007, 10:20 PM
Beautiful photos of Bella Luke, I hope mother and kittens are all doing well :). DO keep us posted though, and it would be a shame for you to leave.

LucySiamese
08-08-2007, 10:31 PM
Hi Luke

Just wanted to say im sorry to hear of the problems you have had recently (as you explained in pm)

I hope everything goes well with the birth and the babies are all healthy.

Lesley.

smudgley
08-08-2007, 11:30 PM
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